Questions about Tizen Watches and creating for it

Hi, i have several questions for Samsung developers of Galaxy Watches with Tizen OS:

  1. I tried some months ago to create watch faces for Tizen OS, but… looks like it’s harder as i thought. But i noticed some tool for Tizen OS some problems (i mean Galaxy Studio Windows Tool or how it named). As probably all designers which creating watch faces for Tizen OS watches know, that there is no possibility to add weather and others activities in the same watch faces, i do not understand why? In Google tool for WearOS running watches is, Samsung can’t optimized/create Galaxy Studio app with this feature? Also all watch faces do not set choice of settings which i choose. I mean after changing watch faces created with Galaxy Studio they backing to default settings. All colors and etc. is not saving, why Samsung can’t created reliable tool?
  2. I’m not programmer, developer and etc. But i can’t understand as normal user why Samsung (when i writing Samsung, i mean developers of this company) can’t release the same default watch faces for others model (most time older) with the same settings packages, why i can’t change activities in default watch face which i can download from Galaxy Store which came default with new watches? I can’t change colors, activities widgets and etc. Why? Samsung developers like this trying to sell more new models of watches?
  3. Tizen OS long time did not got any update, Samsung said will be supported 3 years from release date. This year older models from Wacth 3 with Tizen OS did not got any updates. Why? There is not features what to add? Really? Simple compass is missing, sport modes and etc. Even watch faces is not added from 2021 november. Dear, developers, can you finally consider consumers and to released watch faces for older models with Tizen OS watch faces without limitations, to release much more often OS updates and finally release full packages tool to create watch faces without any bugs and etc. designers complains about that a lot of times as i know. So time to consider consumers. Thanks.
    Smartphones OS is supporting very well even older models as 3 years, but watches you supporting very bad with these limitation, rarely updates and etc. Shame. I guess this is one and last watch from Samsung if you like this supporting it. I do not buying watches for watch faces, i buying it for features. You have very big limitations. That’s unbelievable.

GIVE ME A REASON TO WANT TO BUY NEWER MODELS OF SAMSUNG WATCH, SUPPORT IT FULL.

Hello, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I doubt you get any satisfying answers to motives of the Samsung company deeds here. Maybe some excuses.

  1. main excuse was, the GWD tool was not meant for developers but for designers. Understand: to fill the empty watchface store back then, when Tizen watches emerged.
  2. because they did not offer tizen os firmware upgrades same for all watch generations. there are 4 classes of faces for the watch.
    a) those fully integrated with firmware, that can have functions and features not available for third party developers
    b) those based on the above from new watch models, but only visually, with restricted customizations, available to download in store for the older models (not integrated anymore).
    c) third party watchfaces made using tizen studio or other programing tools, with rich functions and sometimes even own ecosystem (like Facer, MrTime, Watchmaker and such)
    d) third party watchfaces made using GWD/GWS tools
  3. tizen OS was discontinued and made obsolete, so the watches using it are meant to be replaced with newer models (like phones. forget the smart watch would run as long as mechanical watches used to)
    btw. compass? none of the tizen watches has hardware sensor for that, how should software update ad that?

Reason to buy new? Progress and evolution. Sorry, I wont give any other, as long my gear S3 keeps running. There are many new nice to have features, but I am not fitness freak. I do not need to measure my blood pressure and body composition so often, that I would want to do it with watch.

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First thank you for answers. I understand you, but if Samsung can’t answer then what is the attitude towards the customer? I hope i’m wrong and Samsung care much more customers as they maybe could to show that. That’s why trying to believe that i will get answers from developers too.

  1. I do not understand that. To release product just for reason to release, that would not be empty shop? If someone selling for money something have to be good quality product, is not just a product. That’s why i asking that. I do not want to spend my money for watch face which is not good quality. Why i have to do that? Samsung developers have to think about that. For designers or developers it doesn’t matter if you releasing tool for people to earn money, tool have to be good quality too or with all features, because in final product, like now is, customers getting is not good quality product.
  2. Do you trying to say that Tizen like OS was mistake at all? That’s how i understanding now. Because Android OS haven’t these disadvantages as i know, can see and etc. Sorry if i do not understand right. Sounds like Tizen for watches from first steps was created with thoughts that will be with disadvantages. Again question then why was created at all? As i saw in smartphones this step did not worked out, i’m wrong?
  3. Yeah simple compass. Haven’t sensors? Question why? Watch 4 as i know have compass. Watch 4 have sensors? I can ask that a lot of time. Tizen is outdated? I’m talking about at all Tizen reason to release like OS. From first days as i know and can’t understand wasn’t perfect OS. Looks like minus is much more as i thought till now in this OS. By the way if Tizen watches haven’t sensors for compass why in Galaxy Shop is Compass apps for Tizen watches from others developers? They are fake?
    Yeah reason to buy one. Why i have to spend my money (big money) for product which is supporting only till will be new model? I’m talking about real support, long support and full support. Right now from Watch 3 to older as i know do not getting any updates from 2021 November. This is my opinion is not 3 years support, Watch 4 getting updates the same like got older models only till Watch 5 will be for sale (i think, maybe i am and i will be wrong). New features is great, but others manufactures offer me the same features or most of them. Why i have to buy then Samsung watches? I think steps like support is important for customers.

P.S. I understand about evolution and etc. I digging deeper. I do not getting simple watch faces with full control like is in default watch faces from Samsung, simple questions, but there is no answer why happening like that or i did not saw it yet. I’m talking about Samsung watch faces. Original watch faces.

  1. Sorry, what I first forgot to mention, this forum is also not directly meant for end user comunity, but more like the third party apps/faces developers and tools for them.
    There was attempt to integrate the “try before buy” feature into the tizen faces, for some it even worked, but it was many times broken and troublesome.
    Anyway, you can decide about quality by what you see in the store and there are also nice faces for free or with 100% discount coupons.
    You can also still make your own masterpiece for yourself for free and sideload it to watch without store. The store meanwhile became closed for newcomers and only selected applicants are now granted the priviledge to publish.
  2. in my eyes tizen was no mistake. it just did not get the love and appreciation it deserved.
  3. I do not know of any watches from Gear S2 to galaxy watch 3 having real magnetic sensor to provide compass function. Why not integrate all possible sensors? No idea what are those apps showing. Since I am not connected to Samsung (and I doubt anybody who is, would go into this discussion here), I can only guess: to make watch affordable? Some Garmin watches fully loaded with features cost about $800, while mine cost me only $350. For you it is “simple compass”. For me it is unnecessary gimmick. For some hiker/tourist it is necessary piece of equipment they would not rely on a mainstreem fancy watch as sole “provider”. For smartwatch maker is it added complex feature (possible troublemaker).
    PS.: I tried to explain to you, the faces with full control are integral part of firmware. The added ones trough store are not. So their features are naturally limited.
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Android has the same issues, I have an old Android tablet which can’t update to the latest version of Android. This is not a problem, when you choose hardware you choose what you can afford or the hardware that does what you want it to do. New hardware will become available and you either stick with what you have or get something new.

Old hardware just doesn’t have the electronics to handle the same things as modern equipment. This is exaggerated in a watch because the size is so small so they can’t just add “every sensor” because they weren’t available at the time, or they were too big, or used too much power.

I have the original Galaxy Watch, it was updated quite recently to Tizen 5.5. I have owned the watch for just over 4 years.

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First at all thank you both for writing back, i really appreciate it.

PETER, i know (i think) where i wrote. But this is probably the only place where can answer Samsung developers, also they seeing all these posts, i guess. In others places is most time intermediaries like Samsung consultants.

  1. Google have this “try to buy” in some kinds. I bought some apps/game, i had some days to get back my money. So again why was to release Tizen OS if even shop have problems as i understand now? No, i disagree with you. You can’t to image will be good quality watch faces or not. Only after bought i found problems which have watch faces created with Samsung tool. Later confirmed designers that.
  2. If tool for Tizen watch faces have many problems to create normal watch faces like is default Samsung for specific models, i think it’s mistake. Some decision from Samsung i think confirmed that. Closed smartphones with this OS, shop and etc.
  3. It’s simple compass, which Samsung couldn’t create. Reasons? I don’t know, i want to know it. Watch 4 have compass, i saw just do not remember where. This article confirmed my words - Samsung Compass (Wear OS) update adds more monitoring features - (sammyfans.com). But maybe i did not understand something wrong.

P.S. About watch faces, but default watch faces have not limitation, why Samsung can’t add from Watch 3 to Active 2 default watch faces which is in Watch 3 with full control, why can’t Samsung add Watch 4 watch faces for Watch 3 and etc. They doing that, but with limitation. I don’t understand that. Watch 3 and Active 2 is almost the same watches. Also Watch 4 default watch faces have some settings like colors and etc., why they can’t be full controlling? Maybe is language barrier, but i trying to understand, but can’t. I don’t finding real reason. Just some explains.

All1579689334, i’m talking about watch faces. With Android tool for WearOS running watches like Watch 4 from Samsung created watch faces by designers have weather, steps and others information in one watch face, with Galaxy created watch faces for Tizen watches haven’t that. Some designers saying the same it’s Samsung problem and they that already reported. Just Samsung developers probably lazy to fix that or maybe can’t just i did not found explain why. Samsung updated smartphones very well, jut with wearable devices is problem my opinion. With watches very bad situation. Bud Pro have 2 or 3 updates per the same time when watches older as Watch 4 just one. And now almost 9 months there is no any updates for Tizen watches. Simple, f…ed watch faces they do not releasing with full control. Disappointed very much.

P.S. “Old hardware just doesn’t have the electronics to handle the same things as modern equipment. This is exaggerated in a watch because the size is so small so they can’t just add “every sensor” because they weren’t available at the time, or they were too big, or used too much power.” - This sound like joke. Watch 3 and Active 2 watches is the same almost. With the same processors and etc. Watch 4 i agree have different hardware, but watch faces, some features in Watch 3 can be in Active 2. Even that Samsung do not giving. Shame. Simple update can release like optimization, security or some premium features like oxygen in the blood just not in running mode. Sorry, guys, i respect your opinion. But do not understand Samsung decisions.

November in 2021 was released watch faces before release OS update, Samsung wrote that watch faces came out with OS updates. Shame, that was big fale from Samsung my opinion. Give to us simple some Watch 4/Watch 3 and etc. features which haven’t older models, watch faces with full control and etc. Will be happy all. Why WearOS don’t coming to Tizen? Rumors said that Google disagreed with that. Again hardware only guilty? :slight_smile: Most funny explain which i hearing from manufactures.

FYI, Samsung employees do not typically read this forum, this is for 3rd party developers to post and get answers. There are Samsung moderators who can pass questions/comments/concerns along, however your comments are not being read by actual Samsung product developers.

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I tried some months ago to create watch faces for Tizen OS, but… looks like it’s harder as i thought.

Did you use GWS 2.0.1 version? that was an update for Mac compatibility. The AOD is buggy roll back to GWS 2.0.0 and you will be much more satisfied.

There is no possibility to add weather and others activities in the same watch faces, i do not understand why?

Licensing of the Weather service. We offer Openweather as an option but it is not compatible with Health API or some things that GWS uses for customizations. You probably need a watch face created with Tizen Studio but that does not have access to Samsung Health only sensors.

Also all watch faces do not set choice of settings which i choose. I mean after changing watch faces created with Galaxy Studio they backing to default settings.

It is because the watch face is an instance in memory no way to save end user settings. Wear OS powered by Samsung does save customizations. You would need a watch face created with Tizen Studio that can write to memory to save settings. There are 3rd party watch design tools that basically run and emulator on the watch and control it from the Mobile device that do all that you would like.

can’t release the same default watch faces for others model (most time older) with the same settings packages

I’m not sure what you are talking about here. Tizen OS is backwards compatible so any newer watch can run any app for the older watch as well. Just older watches with older hardware can’t run the newer apps. Many of the default watch faces that I see in Watch3 are the same as in Gear S2 I have.

Tizen OS long time did not got any update, Samsung said will be supported 3 years from release date. This year older models from Wacth 3 with Tizen OS did not got any updates. Why?

Samsung moved from Tizen OS to Wear OS Powered by Samsung.
When Toyota comes out with a new model they don’t go back and update the older models. The only product that I can think of that gives free updates is Operating Systems and the reason they do that is they make more money selling Apps for the newer system than the newer systems cost to update.

Simple update can release like optimization, security or some premium features like oxygen in the blood just not in running mode.

Almost the same is not the same especially when it comes to government regulated Medical apps.

It appears, you did not look at available tools that do allow you to do what you want.

I’d be happy if you have other questions to answer them. I think they all have a solution or a reasonable reason why it is how it is.

Ron
Samsung Developer Relations

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Thank you for explain. Did not knew that.

Did you use GWS 2.0.1 version? that was an update for Mac compatibility. The AOD is buggy roll back to GWS 2.0.0 and you will be much more satisfied.

No i did not. It’s need a lot of time, patience and etc. Right now i left this idea in the drawer. So i do not creating watch faces this moment. By the way, i’m not disappointed so much of tool for creation. Some question it’s just interesting. I’m disappointed of support of watch running Tizen OS.

Licensing of the Weather service. We offer Openweather as an option but it is not compatible with Health API or some things that GWS uses for customizations. You probably need a watch face created with Tizen Studio but that does not have access to Samsung Health only sensors.

In other words impossible to create watch faces with information of weather and steps, heart-rate and battery for Tizen OS watches? I do not understand why Samsung do not create tool for that like is for WearOS watches? Samsung can’t create app with these possibilities? Sorry i do not understand something.

It is because the watch face is an instance in memory no way to save end user settings. Wear OS powered by Samsung does save customizations. You would need a watch face created with Tizen Studio that can write to memory to save settings. There are 3rd party watch design tools that basically run and emulator on the watch and control it from the Mobile device that do all that you would like.

So it’s mean that most designers which releasing watch faces for Galaxy Store creating watch faces with not Tizen Studio? They do not saying apps name. So the best create watch faces is to choose Tizen Studio? I just heard explain from designers that this problem is reported to Samsung and that they creating with tool which have this issues or call it how you want.

I’m not sure what you are talking about here. Tizen OS is backwards compatible so any newer watch can run any app for the older watch as well. Just older watches with older hardware can’t run the newer apps. Many of the default watch faces that I see in Watch3 are the same as in Gear S2 I have.

I mean that Watch 3 default watch faces is in Galaxy Store, but they impossible to customize like possible in Watch 3. In other words Samsung releasing default watch faces from newer model to older, but there is no customizability possibility. For example if i have Active 2, i can download from Galaxy Store Watch 3 watch faces, but i can’t change in it details like colors, widget (from steps to battery, from weather to heartrate and etc.). The same is with Active 2. If in Active 2 i can change in Neon Watch Face colors and etc., steps, date and etc., in older models i can’t do like that. I like pink watch face from this list More-Galaxy-Watch-3-specs-and-Samsungs-new-faces-leak-out.webp (1200×675) (phonearena.com), but i can’t change colors, widgets (activities) and etc. I have to use it like it is: pink with all information which is in watch faces. Why? Why Samsung making limitation in watch faces from newer models to older? Why in Active 2 and older model impossible to change colors of this watch face? At all why are not available all watch faces from newer model to older? I like some in Watch 4, Watch 3, but they are not in Galaxy Store, why? This is Samsung strategy to sell more watches?

Samsung moved from Tizen OS to Wear OS Powered by Samsung.
When Toyota comes out with a new model they don’t go back and update the older models. The only product that I can think of that gives free updates is Operating Systems and the reason they do that is they make more money selling Apps for the newer system than the newer systems cost to update.

But Toyota did not scream that will support older models three years from release date of it, right? Also Toyota is car manufacturer. It was not good example. Customers don’t care how many money is need for company, how cost to support devices and etc. If company decided to do that, why they do not doing that? This is not supporting when i do not getting updates of OS almost one year. I do not believe that older Tizen watches do not have bugs/issues and etc. Also people wants new features which is in Watch 3, maybe Watch 4. Which really can be in Active 2 and etc., but is not. Simple blood oxygen measurements. Watch 3 have them. Active 2 and Watch 3 is the same almost devices.

Thanks for answers. I’m just trying to understand, to know maybe who i don’t know and etc. I’m disappointed of support for watches, but i’m not trying to create here panic. Without asking i think will never know answers.

P.S. By the way was members which offer me to use Facer and etc. As i know they draining a lot of battery of watches. So it’s one of reason why i do not use it now.

In other words impossible to create watch faces with information of weather and steps, heart-rate and battery for Tizen OS watches?

It is possible with Tizen Studio but not Samsung Health just the data if they aren’t a Samsung health partner. It is possible with some third party watch face design tools that were in the initial watches and they have the a beta version of Samsung Health API

I do not understand why Samsung do not create tool for that like is for WearOS watches?

It is called Watch Face Studio and the way Wear OS Powered by Samsung (aka Wear OS 3) Samsung is using Wear Health Services. So you can’t access the Samsung Health Step goal or Health Data directly you use complications for that.

Wear OS philosophy is a lot like the Old Samsung Dashboard watch faces where the user sets their own colors and complications for the watches.

So the best create watch faces is to choose Tizen Studio?

It is possible but you will need to know how to be a developer not just a designer.

Why Samsung making limitation in watch faces from newer models to older?

The default watch faces are created as part of the Operating System and can access things like weather and complications on a low level which a Watch Face app can not do. Wear OS is more like this and WFS does it.

will support older models three years from release date of it

I guess my analogy to Toyota was not a good one. In this case support means repair and fix bugs and if something breaks you can send it in. The Gear S2 hardware was upgraded to Tizen 3, Gear S3, Sport and Galaxy Watch were upgraded from Tizen2 or Tizen3 to Tizen4 that is all their hardware could do. Active2 was Tizen 4 Galaxy Watch3 was Tizen 5 they were upgraded to Tizen 5.5 except Active2 did not have some regulated health items updated. I don’t know if it was because of regulations or hardware.

Facer is for lack of a better term an emulator not a watch face app although they do sell some standalone watch apps.

If you have other questions let me know. There is a Samsung unpacking next month and historically they announce new Watches in August.

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It is possible with Tizen Studio but not Samsung Health just the data if they aren’t a Samsung health partner. It is possible with some third party watch face design tools that were in the initial watches and they have the a beta version of Samsung Health API

Thank you, looks like that’s much more harder as i thought.

It is called Watch Face Studio and the way Wear OS Powered by Samsung (aka Wear OS 3) Samsung is using Wear Health Services. So you can’t access the Samsung Health Step goal or Health Data directly you use complications for that.

Wear OS philosophy is a lot like the Old Samsung Dashboard watch faces where the user sets their own colors and complications for the watches

I meant analog of WearOS tool (Watch Face Studio) for Tizen. With the same features and etc. But probably it’s impossible because different OS is there? Viewed from the side WearOS (or WearOS 3.0) users/designers got better tool. I did not tried it. Coz i don’t have Samsung Watch 4. But first impression from internet, that’s better app for watch faces.

It is possible but you will need to know how to be a developer not just a designer.

That’s the problem, i’m not developer. Well, that’s why some designers saying that all the time, what they are not developers when starting to ask why is not weather inside watch faces :slight_smile:

The default watch faces are created as part of the Operating System and can access things like weather and complications on a low level which a Watch Face app can not do. Wear OS is more like this and WFS does it.

In other words Samsung do not limiting it special? I mean from newer models watch faces is not in Galaxy Store special limited (i mean customization: changing, colors of clock, steps to weather and etc.)? As i mentioned i like some watch faces from Watch 3, Watch 4 models and etc. But i can’t to change colors, some widgets (steps, weather, battery, heartrate and etc.) so i have to use default only. Designers watch faces i don’t use at all. For many reasons. After 2 - 3 years default watch faces starting to be very boring. Sad that Samsung do not thinking about that, i guess.

I guess my analogy to Toyota was not a good one. In this case support means repair and fix bugs and if something breaks you can send it in. The Gear S2 hardware was upgraded to Tizen 3, Gear S3, Sport and Galaxy Watch were upgraded from Tizen2 or Tizen3 to Tizen4 that is all their hardware could do. Active2 was Tizen 4 Galaxy Watch3 was Tizen 5 they were upgraded to Tizen 5.5 except Active2 did not have some regulated health items updated. I don’t know if it was because of regulations or hardware.

Facer is for lack of a better term an emulator not a watch face app although they do sell some standalone watch apps.

If you have other questions let me know. There is a Samsung unpacking next month and historically they announce new Watches in August.

:slight_smile: I understand what is mean “support”, but that’s a problem, that Samsung do not fixing bugs/issues. I have one till now is not fixed. So that’s why i writing there is no update for older models almost year. There is what to fix, what to add and etc. Just need to do that :slight_smile: Watch 3 and Active 2 is the same almost models. Is different just between memory and some features. Of course design too. But processors and etc., is the same. As i remember. I understand what impossible to get all the same features in older models, but blood oxygen in Active 2 possible to track the same like in Watch 3 (i mean sensors is inside watch as i understand), but Active 2 can do that only when is activated running sport mode, in Watch 3 you can do all the time if i’m not wrong. Some elements from Watch 3 i guess waiting a lot of users in Active 2.

Yeah Facer app is just a emulator, but if say honest that’s the only way is (i don’t know others, from popular app i mean) where you can get a little bit better watch faces in your watch. I mean design, information and etc. There is some others apps, but Facer if i’m not wrong most popular. Anyway it darning a lot of battery, so i’m still with default watch faces. Which already fed up, but… :frowning:

Thanks for explain, in some questions i got answers, some trying to understand. I still do not understand why impossible to change some elements in watch faces which came from Watch 4, Watch 3 and etc. to older models. This question i do not understand. Right now i understand only that this is complicated, but is not did special by Samsung?

P.S. Yeah, thanks, i know about unpacked, but to buy new watch when on which you have is still good…well… To buy for new watch faces and spend 300 - 400 euros? :slight_smile: By the way so do you have information WearOS will in in Tizen older models or still is the same situation that WearOS is only in Watch 4 and olders models will not get? :slight_smile:

Thanks for answers, explains and etc. :wink:

You have said you are not a developer, and I’m afraid many of the questions you are asking would be obvious if you were a developer.

Older hardware usually doesn’t have the electronics which can be “unlocked” by software. I doubt WearOS will come to my old Galaxy Watch, the hardware is not capable enough to run it.

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All1579689334, ??? It’s bad??? Did not understood your point to write that “You have said you are not a developer, and I’m afraid many of the questions you are asking would be obvious if you were a developer.” It’s trying to dig, to offend? Sounds like that :slight_smile: Of course i’m joking. I understand that some question is sounds like why sun is yellow and etc. Maybe they are silly for you, but as i mentioned i’m not developers, i’m just curious consumer which do not understand why Samsung stopped almost 1 year to support own products like smartwatches (i mean about updates, even these which you (forum members) calling like bugs/issues fixing and etc. Also why simple watch faces is with limitation and some others extra questions. About developing i don’t know nothing. That’s true. This is normal thing. About cinema, music, book writing adn etc. probably you don’t know all things too, i’m right? This is normal thing. We don’t have to know all these things, if something is interesting we can ask which know about that. Thta’s what i’m trying to do. If i would be developers, i would know all these answers probably :slight_smile:
About WearOS to Tizen watches. That’s sad, i heard the same (by rumors), but inside still is deeper believe to get WearOS in the end of “supporting” (my only opinion, i mean “supporting”) :slight_smile:

Sorry, it was not meant to offend or be a dig.

All I meant was that many of your questions would not be questions if you had some developer experience.

It might seem overwhelming at first, but learning to write code and how computers work is a worthwhile thing to do. It gives you an insight to many modern things. It also gives you more control over your own devices, if you want a particular game or watchface you can create it.

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Sorry, it was not meant to offend or be a dig.

It’s ok, as i mentioned i’m joking. But if will be honest sensitive people can think like that, i did i suffered from similar expressions in past.

All I meant was that many of your questions would not be questions if you had some developer experience.

Ok, I understand. I do not have experience in programming at all. If we do not think about AutoCad app for designer what a little bit remind me developers work (i had practice in past with environment designing), some tools for app creation, as i mentioned was some tries with Samsung tools for watches. But I’m not human which understands developers talk, codes and etc. That’s maybe why are these questions. I just like technologies and I’m curious.

It might seem overwhelming at first, but learning to write code and how computers work is a worthwhile thing to do. It gives you an insight to many modern things. It also gives you more control over your own devices, if you want a particular game or watchface you can create it.

That’s how i learnt a little bit to work with media tools like: video mounting, music mixing and etc. I agree with that, we can. It’s just one problem need patience which these days i surprisingly lost :slight_smile: That’s why i tried to create watch face, because did not found which i like, and dropped because lost patience right now for that :slight_smile: Thanks :wink:

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I mention the unpacking because usually the previous models are sold at a much lower price when a newer model is released.

There is no plan to replace Tizen OS with Wear OS. Basically Wear OS is a hybrid of Tizen OS and Wear OS taking the best of both operating systems. However it requires hardware that is not on older Wear OS or Tizen OS Watches.

Ron
Samsung Developer Relations

Ron
Samsung Developer Relations

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I mention the unpacking because usually the previous models are sold at a much lower price when a newer model is released.

Samsung surprised me a lot from good side at all. Only watch support disappointed, but others things is brilliant. They offer sometime very good offers. I like Samsung for that. So i know all these things like unpacked, sale fiestas and etc. But situation is that several months ago in authorized services was changed almost all details in my watch to new, from battery as i understand to watch frame, motherboard and etc. So i can be calm about 2 years. To change watch just for new some features? I don’t think it’s worth then this which i have is like new. Just straps i got to change, but changed strap already dirty (i have grey strap which very fast easily getting dirties). Thanks, i know these things like offers. I have almost all chain from Samsung from ear buds to fringe included TV with sound bar which i got as a gift that i bought TV :slight_smile: Samsung is great, just need more attention to older watch :slight_smile:

There is no plan to replace Tizen OS with Wear OS. Basically Wear OS is a hybrid of Tizen OS and Wear OS taking the best of both operating systems. However it requires hardware that is not on older Wear OS or Tizen OS Watches.

Sad, i know about WearOS. I mean i agree it’s hybrid of Tizen which in watch probably the best OS after now WearOS which also created with Samsung. But WearOS have Google apps, also better watch faces. Tizen in general is enough good, but old watch faces, limited apps list and etc. a little bit making it worst :slight_smile:

Thank you very much for explain and all information for all :wink: